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SCLakes.com Bringing fishermen togeather since 1998! 2010-12-23T15:28:22-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/feed.php?f=54&t=15752 2010-12-23T15:28:22-04:00 2010-12-23T15:28:22-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84096#p84096 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Believe me Booger, Washington is full of them suckers. They want the folks in the Military to be open and out of the closet. I think someone needs to get a Bill started in Washington requiring that all politicans and eleccted and appointed officals need to be forth coming with their sexual preferences also. I think it would be good at the state levels also. What is good enough for our military should also be good enough for our elected and appointed officials too. For all to long our elected officials have been allowed to operate on a double standard putting themselves about the people. I think it is time to bring them down to the level with the normal folks and let them live on our terms for a while. The ones that won't can be replaced at the next elections. We just proved that last November. We can continue to do it until we have our country back..... :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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I guess they to do something cause you have a bunch of them in Washington, giving young boys jobs and taking them to the bathroom so they can help wash their hands. :shock: :roll: :hmm:

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2010-12-22T15:07:48-04:00 2010-12-22T15:07:48-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84081#p84081 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Now as far as whether Gays need to be open in the military, The Military functioned for many many years without anyone having to be asked the question and the Troops performed well all those years. Why is it so important now to break something that was not broke? :hmm: :hmm:

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2010-12-22T07:46:01-04:00 2010-12-22T07:46:01-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84069#p84069 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]>

Yes we have let the Closet Freaks out, we have let them get Married, we have let the Adopt Kids, we have let them hold jobs in high places and they are getting more wide spread every day. :shock:

Look how long Rock Hudson kept in the Closet, before he let it out, how many people were getting a Piece of "THE ROCK"! :shock:

AIDS! ANOTHER INFECTED DILDO SUCKER! :shock:

So don't expect me to "Change" some of my Old ways that Granda and Daddy left me with. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

If you gonna roll that way, you better not roll over here close to me, cause if they bump somebody has to die. :angry: Not into Sword Fighting! :angry:

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2010-12-21T13:23:14-04:00 2010-12-21T13:23:14-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84057#p84057 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by softbaitmaker — Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:23 pm


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2010-12-20T19:53:41-04:00 2010-12-20T19:53:41-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84050#p84050 <![CDATA[Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by Jojo-SC — Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:53 pm


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2010-12-20T16:47:58-04:00 2010-12-20T16:47:58-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84048#p84048 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by softbaitmaker — Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:47 pm


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After watching 60 minutes last night and how bad the Elected Officials have let it get, not sure if we are going to see Four More Years. :angry:

MadOff is not the only one that has Sucked his way to the Top. :shock:

I guess we should be Gay and Happy about it all. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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2010-12-19T21:55:19-04:00 2010-12-19T21:55:19-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84040#p84040 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by ranger fish/ski — Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:55 pm


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2010-12-19T16:26:42-04:00 2010-12-19T16:26:42-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84037#p84037 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by Flippinidiot — Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:26 pm


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2010-12-19T16:17:20-04:00 2010-12-19T16:17:20-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84036#p84036 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by ChampioNman — Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:17 pm


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2010-12-19T10:54:18-04:00 2010-12-19T10:54:18-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84034#p84034 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by chuckster1 — Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:54 am


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2010-12-18T19:55:34-04:00 2010-12-18T19:55:34-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84033#p84033 <![CDATA[Re: Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> Statistics: Posted by John Kyle — Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:55 pm


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2010-12-18T18:35:19-04:00 2010-12-18T18:35:19-04:00 http://www.sclakes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15752&p=84032#p84032 <![CDATA[Tail Gunners, Rump Rangers and People that will Lick-a-the-Split!]]> :roll: :hmm:

They completely forget that it took a MAN and WOMAN. Your mother brought you into this world, butt your daddy can take you out. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

With this fixing to hit, we need to pull all of Our Armed Forces out of the Hostile Regions. :angry:

Obama to sign law ending military gay ban
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By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Anne Flaherty, Associated Press – 1 hr 3 mins ago
WASHINGTON – In a historic vote for gay rights, the Senate agreed on Saturday to do away with the military's 17-year ban on openly gay troops and sent President Barack Obama legislation to overturn the Clinton-era policy known as "don't ask, don't tell."

Obama was expected to sign the bill into law next week, although changes to military policy probably wouldn't take effect for at least several months. Under the bill, the president and his top military advisers must first certify that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' ability to fight. After that, the military would undergo a 60-day wait period.

Repeal would mean that, for the first time in American history, gays would be openly accepted by the armed forces and could acknowledge their sexual orientation without fear of being kicked out.

More than 13,500 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law.

"It is time to close this chapter in our history," Obama said in a statement. "It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed."

The Senate voted 65-31 to pass the bill, with eight Republicans siding with 55 Democrats and two independents in favor of repeal. The House had passed an identical version of the bill, 250-175, earlier this week.

Supporters hailed the Senate vote as a major step forward for gay rights. Many activists hope that integrating openly gay troops within the military will lead to greater acceptance in the civilian world, as it did for blacks after President Harry Truman's 1948 executive order on equal treatment regardless of race in the military.

"The military remains the great equalizer," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "Just like we did after President Truman desegregated the military, we'll someday look back and wonder what took Washington so long to fix it."

Sen. John McCain, Obama's GOP rival in 2008, led the opposition. Speaking on the Senate floor minutes before a crucial test vote, the Arizona Republican acknowledged he couldn't stop the bill. He blamed elite liberals with no military experience for pushing their social agenda on troops during wartime.

"They will do what is asked of them," McCain said of service members. "But don't think there won't be a great cost."

How the military will implement a change in policy, and how long that will take remains unclear. Senior Pentagon officials have said the new policy could be rolled out incrementally, service by service or unit by unit.

In a statement issued immediately after the vote, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.

"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," he said.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he welcomes the change.

"No longer will able men and women who want to serve and sacrifice for their country have to sacrifice their integrity to do so," he said. "We will be a better military as a result."

Sen. Carl Levin, a chief proponent of repeal, said he has received a commitment from the administration that it won't drag its heels.

"We hope it will be sooner, rather than later," he said.

The fate of "don't ask, don't tell" had been far from certain earlier this year when Obama called for its repeal in his State of the Union address. Despite strong backing from liberals in Congress, Republicans and conservative Democrats remained skeptical that lifting the ban could be done quickly without hurting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In February, provided the momentum Obama needed by telling a packed Senate hearing room that he felt the law was unjust. As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mullen became the first senior active-duty officer in the military to suggest that gays could serve openly without affecting military effectiveness.

"No matter how I look at the issue," Mullen said, "I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

With Mullen's backing, Gates ordered a yearlong study on the impact, including a survey of troops and their families.

The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect. But of those who did predict negative consequences, most were assigned to combat arms units. The statistic became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the service chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.

"I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction," Gen. James Amos, head of the Marine Corps, told reporters. "I don't want to have any Marines that I'm visiting at Bethesda (Naval Medical Center) with no legs be the result of any type of distraction."

Mullen and Gates counter that the fear of disruption is overblown and could be addressed through training. They note the Pentagon's finding that 92 percent of troops who believe they have served with a gay person saw no effect on their units' morale or effectiveness.

But even with backing from Gates and Mullen, the bill appeared all but dead this month when Senate Republicans united against it on procedural grounds. In last-minute wrangling, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was able to revive the bill during the rare Saturday session with just days to go before the lame-duck session was to end.

The Republicans who voted for repeal said the Pentagon study on gays and assurances from senior military leaders played a crucial role.

"The repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' will be implemented in a common sense way," said Ohio Republican Sen. George Voinovich. "Our military leaders have assured Congress that our troops will engage in training and address relevant issues before instituting this policy change."

Advocacy groups were jubilant following the Senate's initial test vote that passed 63-33 and set up final passage. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network called the issue the "defining civil rights initiative of this decade." Supporters of repeal filled the visitor seats overlooking the Senate floor, ready to protest had the bill failed.

"This has been a long-fought battle, but this failed and discriminatory law will now be history," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.

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