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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:23 pm 
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I have been listening to and reading different articles on both of these issues. Obama said he would be closing Guantanimo in one year. Well he has found out that is going to be a lot harder than just saying close it. First he must figure out what to do with the over 200 worst of the worst Terrorists stored there. It was discussed bringing them to America. Once that happens they are subject to all laws and provisions provided to all prisoners which means Lawyers and our legal system. Every time the President mentions a Prison to hold them in a certain state the state goes up in arms totally against allowing them to put those prisoners within the borders of their state. That was the whole idea of Guantanimo. To keep them away from any prisons in this country and keep them away from our suck A$$ Bleeding heart liberal judicial system. Smart move on the Republican side. They are right where they need to be until they go up in front of a Federal Tribunal and not a jury trial. It was mentioned that many of the top Terrorists were submitted to a torture called Water Boarding and in revealing alot of critical information that has aided in the protection of America and prevented several new attacks planned on for America. Now I don't know how most Americans feeling about this form of torture or any other form of it becuase it is considered UN- HUMANE. Flying Planes into building killing thousands of people is NOT? Walking into a market place with 5 pounds of TNT wrapped around your waist and pushing the button killing and injuring 100s of people is NOT? Chopping the heads off of civilian workers captured and showing it happening in new reels is NOT? I got news for you Bleeding Heart Liberals. Give anyone of these guys a chance and they will wipe out you and your entire family if you don't change your thoughts about what is humane and what is not. Your Bleeding Heart will be doing exactly that as these people cut the hearts out of your family members while you watch and they will celebrate their kills and brag about them just as they are proud to brag about being part of 9/11. President Obama thinks he can talk to these people and reason with them and give them reason to Love America and Americans. If he believes that so well how come when he goes any place outside this country and many places in this country he has 5 times to amount of secret service and military personel guarding him than any other President in history has? You don't think it;s because he's scared do you? I think he is terrified and each day of his term will get worse until he proves to America that he is putting America first and is giving his full and complete support of our Troops around the world. So far I don't see that he has made any friends.
As far as Guantanimo Prison. They cannot find a state in this country that is willing to accept them. The Bush Administration worked the last year of office trying to find a country that would take them and put them on Trial and every country asked Refused. So now the problem is how do you close it up when you have no place to put the prisoners? 3 options, Keep it operating, Close it down and turn them all loose, or line them all up in front of a wall and end the problem and then close it down and get rid of that expense to the American taxpayers. I vote for #3. Oh yea , make sure the news medias get to film it and send it to Al-Jazzerr for release in the Arabic Countries and return the favor for the films they have been proud enough to let us view. I'm sorry for any of you that find that dis-tasteful but in case you have not figured it out yet. My heart bleeds RED WHITE AND BLUE ONLY. The true test is now going to be put on Obama. If he does close it down and move them to this country his popularity will plunge down where Bush's was. If he turns them loose his popularity will drop below Bush's when he left Office. I can't wait to see how he handles it. He made a lot of Campaign Promises and told the American people all the GOOD THINGS he would do for them. I say WHERES THE BEEF????? It's time to put up or shut up. If an employee cannot perform his job his employer fires him or lays him off permanently. I see it no different in Obama's job either. If he can't get the job done Fire him and find someone that can. He is the President but he is a Gazillion miles away from being GOD. JMHO

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:08 pm 
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Hi Doug. I'm with you on #3 and if he can't find anyone to pull the trigger I'm retired and have some IDLE time!!
He has about 100 Yemeni men captured on the battlefield. He asked Yemen ruler if they would take them and put them on trial. He said he would not take them and try them but he would take them and set them free.

Look whats happening in IRAQ. We pull back, cut patrols, let Iraqis take over and violence escalates.
That REGION is going to explode soon and the Taliban will have control of Pakistani nukes. Gee, I wonder if they would use them??? They couldn't care less what the world thinks of them. Besides they would probably escalate trading with N. Korea :roll: :roll:

I wonder what is the possibility of Hilary being kidnapped in one of those countries :?: :?: THAT would be interesting :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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I have not bought into the Vietnam correlation at all but the end game is going to be just the same. When the local liberal folks here in the USA force us out of Iraq then the results will be the same. Iran will control Iraq within 12 months of our troops leaving and that going to be soon.


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Yea Flippin, the Yemen leader said he would take them and turn them loose and not put them on trial because the leader of that country is at the same level in the Terrorist leadership as the leader of Iran. Coontie, you are hitting the ball right on the bat just perfect. I can't blame the American people for wanting our troops at home though because they know we should not be in Iraq in the first place. Bush and Chenney made that their own personal war with a venedeta from his Fathers failure to finish the job he started back in 1990. That war became a political war over money and power and Chenny got rich in the process. I was all in favor of the invasion of Afganistan but was dissappointed in the rest of the UN when they failed to assist in building an allied force to invade Afganistan like they did in 1990 to free Kuwait. I think the attack on America on 9/11 was an attack on the entire free world. There were people from many different countries that died in those towers that day yet very few stepped up. As far as the escalating of the Iraq war every time we attempt to pull our troops back. That has become a trend designed to keep American forces in the region longer so they will have more opportunities to kill more Americans. I feel regardless of how long we remain in Iraq when ever we leave the out come is still going to be the same so we should leave now and let the inevitable take place. If they want to remain free let them fight for it. Come back home and re group and begin building a standing Military and brace our country for any future attacks. Begin screening our borders with an iron fist like Russia does and tell the world that America will not tolerate any aggression what so ever against any American soil and if any country does violate our country they will be destroyed. Totally destroyed , wiped off the face of the Earth. Our elected officials need to remain out of the loop when it comes to military statis. We shall not fight any more political wars. We will fight wars of aggression on our homeland only. We will not fight to protect or force our beliefs on any nation. Every country on Earth knows what freedom is and what it means. Let them fight for their own just as we have for Centuries. Time to quit sticking our nose in other peoples business. Russia has once again became a power player in Europe. Let Russia deal with it since it is their neighbors. If they want to allow a coutry such as Iran have Nukes right next door to the that is their problem. Russia knows what terrorists are capable of since they took that school and many Russian children were killed. If we are going to form a alliance with any countries it should be Russia and China since they are the two super powers in that region of Europe and Southern Asia. I'm sure many will disagree with that but if you stop to think about it either one of those countries are capable of overthrowing any nation in their region. Let them deal with problems there and we will deal with problems here. Another major problem we have right here at home is Sleeper terrorits cells located all over this country. We need to concentrate our efforts on finding them and taking them out before they have time to strike our homeland. As far as President Obama goes, he is either with us or against us. Time to find out where his heart really is. Guantanimo will be the first test on his feelings about America. His decision on that will tell all Americans alot. Now with all of that said you know this country is strong in the form of humanity. Humanity is a good thing but it has it's limits. Sometimes it can be a sign of weakness. We need to put our country's safety first and humanity down the ladder a few steps.
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