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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:35 pm 
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Well you want have to worry about who is watching your back and who is going to cover your butt. :shock: :roll: :hmm:

They completely forget that it took a MAN and WOMAN. Your mother brought you into this world, butt your daddy can take you out. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

With this fixing to hit, we need to pull all of Our Armed Forces out of the Hostile Regions. :angry:

Obama to sign law ending military gay ban
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WASHINGTON – In a historic vote for gay rights, the Senate agreed on Saturday to do away with the military's 17-year ban on openly gay troops and sent President Barack Obama legislation to overturn the Clinton-era policy known as "don't ask, don't tell."

Obama was expected to sign the bill into law next week, although changes to military policy probably wouldn't take effect for at least several months. Under the bill, the president and his top military advisers must first certify that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' ability to fight. After that, the military would undergo a 60-day wait period.

Repeal would mean that, for the first time in American history, gays would be openly accepted by the armed forces and could acknowledge their sexual orientation without fear of being kicked out.

More than 13,500 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law.

"It is time to close this chapter in our history," Obama said in a statement. "It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed."

The Senate voted 65-31 to pass the bill, with eight Republicans siding with 55 Democrats and two independents in favor of repeal. The House had passed an identical version of the bill, 250-175, earlier this week.

Supporters hailed the Senate vote as a major step forward for gay rights. Many activists hope that integrating openly gay troops within the military will lead to greater acceptance in the civilian world, as it did for blacks after President Harry Truman's 1948 executive order on equal treatment regardless of race in the military.

"The military remains the great equalizer," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "Just like we did after President Truman desegregated the military, we'll someday look back and wonder what took Washington so long to fix it."

Sen. John McCain, Obama's GOP rival in 2008, led the opposition. Speaking on the Senate floor minutes before a crucial test vote, the Arizona Republican acknowledged he couldn't stop the bill. He blamed elite liberals with no military experience for pushing their social agenda on troops during wartime.

"They will do what is asked of them," McCain said of service members. "But don't think there won't be a great cost."

How the military will implement a change in policy, and how long that will take remains unclear. Senior Pentagon officials have said the new policy could be rolled out incrementally, service by service or unit by unit.

In a statement issued immediately after the vote, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.

"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," he said.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he welcomes the change.

"No longer will able men and women who want to serve and sacrifice for their country have to sacrifice their integrity to do so," he said. "We will be a better military as a result."

Sen. Carl Levin, a chief proponent of repeal, said he has received a commitment from the administration that it won't drag its heels.

"We hope it will be sooner, rather than later," he said.

The fate of "don't ask, don't tell" had been far from certain earlier this year when Obama called for its repeal in his State of the Union address. Despite strong backing from liberals in Congress, Republicans and conservative Democrats remained skeptical that lifting the ban could be done quickly without hurting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In February, provided the momentum Obama needed by telling a packed Senate hearing room that he felt the law was unjust. As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mullen became the first senior active-duty officer in the military to suggest that gays could serve openly without affecting military effectiveness.

"No matter how I look at the issue," Mullen said, "I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

With Mullen's backing, Gates ordered a yearlong study on the impact, including a survey of troops and their families.

The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect. But of those who did predict negative consequences, most were assigned to combat arms units. The statistic became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the service chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.

"I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction," Gen. James Amos, head of the Marine Corps, told reporters. "I don't want to have any Marines that I'm visiting at Bethesda (Naval Medical Center) with no legs be the result of any type of distraction."

Mullen and Gates counter that the fear of disruption is overblown and could be addressed through training. They note the Pentagon's finding that 92 percent of troops who believe they have served with a gay person saw no effect on their units' morale or effectiveness.

But even with backing from Gates and Mullen, the bill appeared all but dead this month when Senate Republicans united against it on procedural grounds. In last-minute wrangling, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was able to revive the bill during the rare Saturday session with just days to go before the lame-duck session was to end.

The Republicans who voted for repeal said the Pentagon study on gays and assurances from senior military leaders played a crucial role.

"The repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' will be implemented in a common sense way," said Ohio Republican Sen. George Voinovich. "Our military leaders have assured Congress that our troops will engage in training and address relevant issues before instituting this policy change."

Advocacy groups were jubilant following the Senate's initial test vote that passed 63-33 and set up final passage. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network called the issue the "defining civil rights initiative of this decade." Supporters of repeal filled the visitor seats overlooking the Senate floor, ready to protest had the bill failed.

"This has been a long-fought battle, but this failed and discriminatory law will now be history," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:55 pm 
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Just goes down the drain with the rest of the Countries Morals. :evil: :sad: :angry:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:54 am 
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Tell me something, what else would anyone expect from this president and this administration?? Most people who voted for him knew very little of his qualifications, and his agenda. But , he was a democrat, had black skin, and was not a Clinton. He has disdain for the Constitution, and admitted the Bill of Rights did not go far enough (to suit the liberal agenda). The military, this year recieved its smallest pay raise since 1962, check military.com. Now DADT. Systematic dismantling. Several weeks ago, he re-instated his ban on offshore drilling in the Atlantic, where have gas prices gone since then, we will never be energy independent. No matter who's in charge. The southern border is wide open spilling violence into the U.S. He won't admit war with islamic terrorists. Our taxes will never be enough to pay for all the entitlement programs out there. Supports abortion, and as a senator voted against the Born Alive Act. ETC ETC. Now we are days away from the end of the year and bills are being passed into law with little or no debate. Next will be S.T.A.R.T. Treaty. I could go on but what's the point. In two years we need a regime change. Over the next months, don't be fooled by his move to the center. Hopefully, he wont be the democratic nominee, and the republicans can put up a stronger candidate than McCain.


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I believe that it was a Clinton that signed the original bill.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:26 pm 
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Unfortunately Chuckster the Republicans have handed BHO an economic stimulus that he would never have gotten if not for that "compromise". While the R leadership is smiling and patting themselves on the back the "king" is smirking and congratulating himself. His Liberal backers are to stupid to shut up. The extension of the tax rates AND the 2% hjoliday for the SS tax will imediately put more money into everyones paycheck. They will spend it as most Americans usually do and the economy will be stimulated and it will be in pretty good shape by the time we vote in 2012. He will be the nominee and his base will come out and give him another 4 yrs.

In my estimation the Rs have no one who can beat him. Every one of the R hopefuls has baggage that will sink them. The most that can be hoped for is another mid-term shellacking in 2014.

I hope I'm wrong.

In addition he will probably be able to appoint another Supreme Court judge that will tip the scales away from the Constitution as written.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:55 pm 
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i say we shud put sara palin in presidents seat. i believe shes the only normal person in the whole bunch. she loves family, deer hunts, fishes, shoots guns, and has morals. thats better than anything else in all of washington put together.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:50 am 
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Nope no Sara P any more, she is only worried about promoting her and her family. :evil

After watching 60 minutes last night and how bad the Elected Officials have let it get, not sure if we are going to see Four More Years. :angry:

MadOff is not the only one that has Sucked his way to the Top. :shock:

I guess we should be Gay and Happy about it all. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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To begin with being gay is a sexual preference and I hate to say this because it will draw alot of flak but it is the truth. Gays have been in the Military long before these issues ever surfaced. I know this to be very true because I met alot of them in Vietnam while I served there. As a ranking officer if I asked a soldier if he was gay they never denied it. I also never reported it. Let me say this. In the battle fields, Rice Patties or at Firefights at military bases they were some of the most vicious fearless American fighters the enemy faced. There sexual preference had nothing what so ever to do with their ability to fight and kill the enemy. It was no secret back then that we had gays in the military. They just never brought the subject up unless asked. Was really none of my business what his or her sexual preference was as long as they did their job. The troops that are serving now are well aware of who is gay and it makes them no difference either. I even know a few draft dodgers that were not gay but used it as an excuse to be rejected by the military back in the late 60's early 70's just because they were a chicken and afraid to serve their country. I have more respects for the gays that kept quiet and served their country than I do those that dodged the draft that weren't even gay. Now Like I said this may draw flak but it needs to be said. You can bet John McCain stood on that floor the other day only to stop that bill because he himself knew and met many soldiers in Vietnam that were gay and there fighting for their country and didn't use it as an excuse to dodge the draft. Bill Clinton did sign the Bill that cause over 13,000 troops that were in the military to serve their country and got them removed. Now that is actually denying an American citizen his or her Constitutional Right to serve their country. Now with that said, we have a complete Voluntary Military. We are one of the only nations on Earth to have that. Most other countries military in manditory. If a man or a woman chooses to join our military and can and will perform their assignment in battle or peace time what difference does their sexual preference have to do with any of that? Now with that part covered and No Booger I am not Gay.... :thumbs_up: lets move on to our Comander and Chief. You can bet he is going to move to the center as fast as possible to try and gain momentum going into 2012. He has lost so much of that, his next run if nominated would be a joke at best. He will be a 1 term President. There are some powerful Republicans that could beat his easily. Getting them willing to run is another challenge. It is going to be hard to find anyone with common sense that would want to be President of this country with the shape it will be in by 2012. Some one mentioned Sarah Palin. I bet she does make a run but it may be for and Independent Party most likely. If she does actually go Republican I will vote for her. She is a plain person but only to a point. Most people don't see her as a leader. Believe me she is a leader and a sleeping giant. You either like her or hate her. More people happen to like her than hate her. She never goes to any convention that she does not fill the entire autorium to capacity. As a speaker she speaks in plan english with a little redneck attached which most folks like. She is not bashfull about speaking her mind and really does not care if it strikes a nerve in some folks. I really believe that behind the scenes the Republicans chose her to run with McCain just to get her exposed to the public for a future run because they knew 2008 was a lost cause going in because of GW's low ratings. I bet right now they are behind the scenes prepping here for the 2012 run. They are keeping here in front of America so folks can continue to relate to her. She was a major influence in the over throwing of the Congress to the Republican side. In 2012 not only will the Republicans hold onto the Congress but they will most likely gain the majority in the Senate. Next is to locate a willing person to run in the VP position. That person is going to also have to be strong. Mitt Romney, Newt Gindridge, and Hucklebee are three possibilities. Once they get Palin in the Oval Office all the Republicans do is surround her with the right people to assist her and it would work.
Obama made that a very bad mistake. He surrounded himself with far to many Chicago Political Machine personnel and so far many of those have been fired and replaced. He did not surround himself with strong well know politicians but used Chicago Thugs and known actual American Terrorists against America's well being. Poor choices on his part but that all came from lack of political experience. He depended far to much on his Chicago Political Machine for assistance. They have buried him just like they have buried the state of Illinois. The Chicago Political Machine has just about bankrupted the entire state of Illinois and the United States of America in the process. Well off my soap box for now.

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:hmm: Sorry JOJO, I just fixed it so now someone else can use it....... :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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Are you talking about our Willie Clinton and how he moved farther North during the Conflict with them Little Rice Monkey's? :shock:

Yes we have let the Closet Freaks out, we have let them get Married, we have let the Adopt Kids, we have let them hold jobs in high places and they are getting more wide spread every day. :shock:

Look how long Rock Hudson kept in the Closet, before he let it out, how many people were getting a Piece of "THE ROCK"! :shock:

AIDS! ANOTHER INFECTED DILDO SUCKER! :shock:

So don't expect me to "Change" some of my Old ways that Granda and Daddy left me with. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

If you gonna roll that way, you better not roll over here close to me, cause if they bump somebody has to die. :angry: Not into Sword Fighting! :angry:

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Believe me Booger, no one is trying to change your mind about anything. Just explaining some facts that most folks overlook. I feel very much like you do in that aspect. I just wanted folks to know that their has been gays in the world since the beginning of time. God Destroyed two cities because of the overwhelming amount of gay activities in them. As far as I'm concerned as long as they stay away from me then they are on safe ground. God will deal with them and judge them. It is not my place to judge anyone for their lifestyles. "Judge Less ye be judged" and I believe that. There are many more gays in Hollywood then one might imagine and Rock Hudson was just one.
Now as far as whether Gays need to be open in the military, The Military functioned for many many years without anyone having to be asked the question and the Troops performed well all those years. Why is it so important now to break something that was not broke? :hmm: :hmm:

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Sammy say only got one eye, but it gonna be on your @$$ cause I nose who you is. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

I guess they to do something cause you have a bunch of them in Washington, giving young boys jobs and taking them to the bathroom so they can help wash their hands. :shock: :roll: :hmm:

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:hmm: Believe me Booger, Washington is full of them suckers. They want the folks in the Military to be open and out of the closet. I think someone needs to get a Bill started in Washington requiring that all politicans and eleccted and appointed officals need to be forth coming with their sexual preferences also. I think it would be good at the state levels also. What is good enough for our military should also be good enough for our elected and appointed officials too. For all to long our elected officials have been allowed to operate on a double standard putting themselves about the people. I think it is time to bring them down to the level with the normal folks and let them live on our terms for a while. The ones that won't can be replaced at the next elections. We just proved that last November. We can continue to do it until we have our country back..... :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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